sindo
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Post by sindo on Jun 5, 2005 20:26:04 GMT
What would Imperial doctrine be?
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Post by Darth Sidious on Jun 5, 2005 22:17:25 GMT
Military Doctrine... how the military operates, how they respond to certain situations, and many other things governing what actions/reactions to take.. this one's kinda difficult to explain
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Post by sushi on Jun 6, 2005 6:46:51 GMT
easily relatable to the United States militaries policies though I'd imagine.
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Post by Darth Sidious on Jun 6, 2005 21:26:11 GMT
quite possibly.. although i dont think the us is rying to take over the galaxy by making everyone afraid of them...yet
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Post by sindo on Jun 6, 2005 21:45:34 GMT
True but a point is made. If anyone tried to stand up for their own beliefs and not the Emoire's hey were swiftly shot down.
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Post by Empress Palpatine on Jun 14, 2005 21:37:11 GMT
Bush...no way. The Empire was much more competent than him. Bush can't run anything out of a wet paper bag. The Emporer was way smarter. I got the impression he could run things.
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Post by sindo on Jun 16, 2005 21:49:43 GMT
I wouldn't be so sure. I think that in many ways the emperor was the same as Bush.
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Post by Darth Cassus on Aug 3, 2005 3:15:03 GMT
The Empeor is alot like Bush because they both use the shock an awe stratagy. BUt it is the best plan for a milatary campagian
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Post by Darth Sidious on Aug 3, 2005 16:05:28 GMT
Maybe.. if so then thats unfortunate. Bush couldnt rule a city if he tried, let alone a galaxy
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Post by Darth Cassus on Aug 3, 2005 23:32:35 GMT
i am merely comparing there milataty stratagies Bush is nothing compared to the empeorer
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Post by Darth Sidious on Aug 3, 2005 23:38:53 GMT
i realise that there are such similarities, i was not denying such, i was just trying to state that i think bush is utterly incompetant lol
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Post by Mrs. Darth Vader on Aug 12, 2005 4:13:54 GMT
To me Episode III clears up the matter very well. Bush is in Iraque to plunder and steal the oil and help a company called Hallaburton. Palpatine in giveing order 66 showed he is the opposite of Bush. My husband, Darth Vader was orederd to kill the Jedi first. Then Palpatine had Darth Vader kill the Traide Federation beings on Mustafar. In america or the west (meaning Europe) it would be as if palpatine orderd all christians killed. then palpatine had all buisness men, bankers and ect. killed. This order is closest to what happened in 1917 in Russia. First the Tzar was taken out and any capitalist buddies of theirs. then The organized religion was taken out. And of course the koolarks(Russian War Lords)were taken out. To me this would be to cool if we only had a Palpatine. To me Palpatine is like V. Lenin and Vader is like J. Stalin. It is obviously a communist run Galaxy when it becomes the Empire for several reasons. First who is killed when order66 is given. Two the organized religion is killed of that galaxy. Then in Ep. IV-VI the spit polished Death Star and Super Star Destroyer combined with the way the Storm troopers are posistioned looks like that of any socialist or comunist state. In America our solders never look that spiffy. We always look like something the cat dragged in. Lastly the Empire never has to beg buisness men or congress for budget spenditures.
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Post by Empress Palpatine on Aug 12, 2005 22:17:02 GMT
Palpatine is the leader we all wish we could have. We need someone who can pull it off. There hasn't been a real leader in decades.
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Post by sindo on Aug 16, 2005 2:24:27 GMT
No leader will ever be comparable to the great lord palpatine. Although?
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Post by bradi on Sept 30, 2005 17:34:03 GMT
To me this would be to cool if we only had a Palpatine. To me Palpatine is like V. Lenin and Vader is like J. Stalin. It is obviously a communist run Galaxy when it becomes the Empire for several reasons. There are similarities between Stalin, Lenin and the Galactic Empire, but the philosophical differences are enormous. The Communists marketed their ideas under the cloak of egalatarianism. "We're all equal!" But as every Sith knows, we're not all equal. You can't even be a sith and think that. The way that Palpatine marketed his Empire was through fear. He created a problem, which was a false war which scared everyone. He offered a solution, which was surrendering control and establishing a dictatorship. Whether this was beneficial to the galaxy is a question that you can answer for yourselves.
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Post by ameal on Oct 5, 2005 2:18:36 GMT
America does not need power, america needs widsom I am an american, america is run by cheerleaders and fanfares Amercia is the home of acid rock, ganster rap and christian preaching, there is a big culture problem in america, america cultures is based on idol worshiping!!!!! WE need no more presidents, we need a diverse council
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Post by Mrs. Darth Vader on Nov 15, 2005 22:43:39 GMT
Lenin had to plot his way to power like Palpatine. The socialism used was a tough kind of socialism. A smart dictator knows, if you keep the bellies full and the health care than you stay in power longer and revolution is less likely if people are fed. If you are starveing you are desperate and will grab the gun quicker. Well fed people do not question the state as one who lacks. These are facts even known by U.S. national security. According to our news, the Social Security checks are made in a building that is part of the national security branch of government. These checks are not made in the Mint as one would think.
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Post by Azazel on Nov 16, 2005 10:50:23 GMT
I don't want to say your all wrong, but, if you look a history with a closer look, you will see that Hitler and the Nazi regime is much closer to the Empire than Lenin or Stalin. Hitler, like palpatine, was chosen by the people, under a "nice guy who would solve things up and clean the empire from foreign bad guys" cover. After that, came the military take over. Hitler´s 66 order was the "night of the long knifes" Even more important than a strictly military doctrine, the Nazi were a military/religious doctrine, much like the empire, that has the military power supported by a "religious" base, the dark side of the force. Its easy to see that you people never lived under a totalitary regime.
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Post by Empress Palpatine on Nov 16, 2005 15:03:05 GMT
Hitler is a valid comparison also. His was a socialist state which had some remaining elements of capitalism (strictly controlled). Nazis had several religions represented. Some were actually Catholics and Protestants. Some were atheists. Some revived the Odinist or other old Germanic pagan religions, feeling they were more "Aryan."
Question: Did the Empire ever go about wiping out certain species on certain planets for the mere fact that they were non-humans (humanlike) or even non-Aryan? There is no evidence of this in the films. What sets Nazis apart from Communists is a racial purity policy.
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Post by Mrs. Darth Vader on Nov 16, 2005 19:58:34 GMT
Azazel, You have a good point. Hitler is a form of socialist, so that would work. I am fimilar with the night of the long knives. This purge was to kill all the disloyal personel in the Storm Trooper ranks, which is a little askew from Order 66. Hitler on his rise to power convinced national capital to side with him against the international capitalist who wanted war reporations from Germany. International capital were simply kicked out not killed.
Only the communists kill the church ( Jedi ) and the capitalists ( trade federation, banking clan and so on). Palpatine had to do more minipulateing than Hitler. Hitler got to do party building. He built it from ground up. Then Hitler was duely elected by the people not just the senate. Lenin on the other hand had only some party building combined with more minipulateing like Palpatine. Then Lenin had the revolution, more like Palpatine. Under Lenin the church was conquered. Hitler left the church untouched unless that church sided with the jews. So for the most part capital and church were spared under Hitler. That would be if Palpatine only had the Jedi councle killed but let all the rest go. Since order 66 was total that makes it a classic comunist revolution. Hitler would be a close second.
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Post by Darth Sidious on Nov 17, 2005 0:30:38 GMT
Question: Did the Empire ever go about wiping out certain species on certain planets for the mere fact that they were non-humans (humanlike) or even non-Aryan? There is no evidence of this in the films. What sets Nazis apart from Communists is a racial purity policy. Hmm... good question, tbh i dont know for definate if there is any official data regarding such, however, lots of people believe the empire, or at least some of its extreme higher-ups to be xenophobic. In some ways, the films do support this - the Rebels tend to have a mix of races visible onscreen, whereas in the Imperial Military, one only ever sees humans, with the only exception im aware of being in the form of Thrawn - but then he was a tactical and strategical genius.. Also, in one of the books, afaik set between ANH and TESB, involving Prince Xizor, it mentions in passing Xizor's hatred for the empire, and vader in particular for the extermination of his (species/)homeworld. from what i remember the circumstances were that there was a large scale bio-research centre on the planet, which concentrated on biogenic weaponry. something went wrong and a virus was released from the centre. Vader's answer was to follow a scorched earth policy, might have been a BDZ, might have just been a general bombardment.
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Post by Darth Sidious on Nov 17, 2005 0:32:59 GMT
for those unsure, the term BDZ means Base Delta Zero, or Return to Year Zero. It involves the use of at least one, but most likely several star destroyers, firing full power shots at the planet, quite literally destroying the mantle, leaving little more than a ball of magma.
The empire was known to use this tactic quite a few times, although i cant give any specific references
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Post by Azazel on Nov 17, 2005 11:04:30 GMT
Mrs Darth Vader, sorry for not agreeing with you, but Hitler is a easy first. to start with, in communism, everything is state owned, in National-Socialism, the state controlled everything, but every military builder were private. As like in the Empire, the empire controls things, but manufacturers like Sienar (tie fighter builders) are still private owned.That is a major difference. Secondly the Germans didn't exactly destroyed the catholic church for one very good reason, 80% of the German population was catholic, it wouldn't be a good idea to start and arrases people like that, but they imposer severe restrictions on the church.Only a hand filled of the Nazi party member were, as Empress Palpatine so well says Arian religions. The question of racial purity, well, i can easily see the storm trooper as the SS troops were, symbols of perfection. And the Communist rules made they're fare share of racial cleaning, during Stalins times. They also got rid of Jews, they almost killed half of the people in Chechnya ( and thats why there are so many problems there these days) not to mention all the purges that were made in the other republics. The 66 order must be seem on scale. Germany´s long knifes night wasn't at a galactic scale, but only on a local scale. There remains the main difference.There was no point in destroying a defenseless church and become hatred.Instead he opted to clean his path of the one who were closer to steal power from him. Unlike the russian version that just wipped almost everything away, the german 66 order was a small grup directed one. Like the election of palpatine by the senate, and of Hitler by the German people. Palpatine could never be elected by a galaxy, too many people.the senate was the representative of all them. Hitler also had his fare share of manipulation. he first tried the to the "putch", that failed.Palpatine, if the numerical difference was in favor of him would surely have taken power by force, but , has Hitler, decided to take the water to his well instead of the other way around. And Hitler didn't asked the German people to fight against capitalism, but against communism. He upraised against the WWI winning countries policies of demanding a war reparation, and a limitation of weapons. Its a bit different, he always knew that capitalism was a nice way of keeping the war machine well fed and working... the only thing was that, like palpatine, they lost the war, alone against everybody. Communism as fallen by itself. National -Socialism is a good first.
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Post by Mrs. Darth Vader on Nov 18, 2005 7:16:56 GMT
Hitler is still considered in the socialist camp so it would work. I think we could disagree for a long time since we have our faverate forms of socialism, In my case communism. What if as two Sith we were to compromise. Lets say if you were willing to drop the raceism of your national socialism, and I were to be willing to let thecapitalists go if they were willing to support Palpatine. Of course this is a what if senerio. If we mixed the two idealogies to come up with something intirerly new. Like the nazis are strong in the loyalty thing. The communist are strong in that all races can join it. So if Palpatine were to come to the milky way galaxy, lets make him popular. How do we run his campaighn. Darth Sidious any suggestions? Do you want to help the Elect Palpatine in 2008? This is for fun unfortunatly we do not realy have Palpatine on earth. I wish he really did exist. I know Palpatine would fix what is wrong down here. I think as a smart Sith Palpatine would know to keep the environment healthy. Nature is very important to balance on earth.
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Post by Azazel on Nov 18, 2005 13:20:12 GMT
Im not disagreeing. Im simply making a statement defending my theory. If we think things on a rational basis, we shall see that in the end, both political ideologies have much more in commun than diferences. I really dont believe if electing Palpatine whould be possible,mainly because he really doesnt have a political agenda atractive enough to ensure enough votes, On the other hand, i dont really belive that Palpatine would give importance to the environment, the empire is well known to polute worlds. this world doesnt need that any more.
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