Well here we are My Lord!

[Master Thompson]

I am Jedi Master Derek M. Thompson, I am here to observe that which is the Dark Side of the Force. At this time, I have but only one question: Why? Why the Dark Side?

[Darth Sidious]

Why?
Simplest answer... Why not?
Why cloud your perceptions and limit your views to the light?
Why not embrace the whole, the everlasting?
The Dark is always there, waiting just around the corner to ensnare its prey.



...while i realise that may not be what you were expecting, im at work and thats the best i can come up with at the minute

[Darth Cassus]

Hey Master Jedi thats cool
And I will tell you why The dark is generous, and it is patient.
It is the dark that seeds cruelty into justice, taht drips contempt into compassion, that poisons love with grains of doubt.
The dark can be patient, because the slightest drops of rain will cause those seeds to spout.
The rain will come, and the seeds will sprout for the dark is the soil in which they grow, and it is the clouds above them and waits behind the star that gives them light.
The dark's patience is infinite.
Evevtually even stars burn out

[Master Thompson]

Okay, unlike the ancient Jedi (for reasons of historical substance,) that went sabers hot at the very mention of the Sith, I am going to try to understand the essence and seduction of the Dark Side.

The Light Side is that which is good and just. When one is calm, serene at peace can he or she that is a Jedi complete the open circle that is the union of life and the Force. The Dark Side is powerful yes, but to connect, harness & use this power one must be driven by passion, strength and a thirst for domination. Only through fear; the fear can can un-tap true anger and hate needed to exact this power.

I quote the Book of Anger written by Emporer Palpatine:

"I have learned that Anger and Will joined together, is the greates Power. I have learned to meditate Anger and Will with clarity and precision, and I have learned to open the hidden reservoirs of Dark Side Power. Anger concentrated by Will in the vital center of the body, creates a portal through which vast energies are released - the energies of the Dark Side of the Force.

Standing watch with the mind, in my meditation of Anger, I have slain my enemies from great distances, through the Dark Side Power that permeates the Galaxy. I have created lightning, and unleashed its destructive fire. Using this knowledge, I can unleash the Dark Side energies that are all around us, even to shatter the fabric of space itself. In this way, I have created storms."

Source Material: "The Jedi Handbook."

Are these not the teachings of pain and suffering?

[Darth Sidious]

That could be one interpretation of such yes, although not everyone would interpret everything the same way.

What you have provided isnt exactly a lesson/teaching though is it? it is His Imperial Majesty explaining the absolute basics of how he can do what he does. He doesnt tell you how to go about it, he simply tells you the fundamentals necessary for Absolute Mastery of the Darkness.

Do these "teachings" involve pain, suffering?

Most definately.
Pain and suffering can be used to induce the "negative emotions" which in turn can be used to feed the power of the shadow, to feed the Dark Side itself - anything experiencing such emotions feeds the Darkness, so why would we not want them? as long as it is us "inspiring" them within others, and not suffering too much ourselves then from a Sith standpoint everything will be proceeding well...

[Darth Sidious]

Passion: Check
Strength: Check
Domination: Check
Anger: Check
Fear:
hmm... an interesting point, although it depends entirely how it was meant... The fear of other, "lesser-beings" sure, any edge, and advantage
A Sith who has fear of anything is not worthy, and should be culled.

[Master Thompson]

As a Jedi, the practical applications of my training and beliefs can be applied in the real world. Helping people in need, having support for friends and family, dealing with ignorance & intolerance, coping with the adversity in the world. Barbarian Horde's of the ancient world, the Hun's, the Vandal's, the Turk's, the Saxon's, Ancient Clan Chiefs of Continents old, the Egyptian Pharaohs, the Grecian Kings, the Roman Caesars, the Mongolian Chan's, the Chinese Chin's, the Spanish, French & English Royals, Scotch & Irish Lords (Old, Middle and New World Dynasty's,) the Russian Czars, the Nazi's, 2nd & 3rd Word Dictator's from the African to Latin America, President's & Prime Ministers, the Klu Klux Klan, the Arien Nation, street gangs, drug cartel's, religious fundamentalist fanatical groups form all countries, history from old to current.

All, all of these viewed the way of things as the Sith do. The want for more...the fear of got getting - never being equal...the anger of reality....the hatred of self.....the passion to prove....the strength to show....the loss of emotion....the death of empathy....the destruction of reason....the birth of everlasting regret, pain and anguish.

Each one of the fore-mentioned groups or individuals inflicted pain and suffering back then and today in the pursuit of, "satisfaction of passion." Countless lives destroyed! When a criminal commits an act of violence to satisfy a passion of want or desire and pain or even death occurs as a result, this is acceptable? When a woman or child is abused to satisfy a passion, this is acceptable? Then the wealthy and politically connected take advantage of the public, this is acceptable? Thievery, brutality, pain and suffering are acceptable? Now, perhaps you are with me and may agree with the fact that yes, these are all absolutely distastefully individuals, groups and examples of true evil, but then the question is.......is the Sith way not to embrace strength, power and passion? If these are not true examples of Darkness then when are the ideals of the Sith and use of the Dark Side acceptable and practical?

Is there a point that I am missing the entirely?

Master Thompson

[Darth Sidious]

Ouch...Uhh...

I have a bad habit of whenever someone mentions Sith to immediately think in the terms of the SW universe.
In the sense of non-SW, 'real' life, maybe im not the best person to answer that...I only recently (read 6-12 months) discovered that there was such a thing as sith outside SW :/ that and im getting to used to the light rp stuff here.

Im having one of those annoying moments right now where i can see the exact answer to your inquiry, but cant for the life of me try to find a way to even begin to explain it.

For the minute, i guess im going to have to refer you to the >Teachings & Philosophies< Board, as well as the >Religion< board.

I only hope that those discussion areas can give a clearer idea than i can right at the moment, but i guarantee that when certain other members see this they will be far more informative in certain matters.

To answer the one part of your question i currently feel able to do:
Yes, the Sith way involves embracing strength, power and passion's as virtues of the highest order, and slowly, hopefully, unity also.
In regard to the ideals; Ideals are merely that, there is no such thing as an ideal world, and probably never will be, however such ideals depend entirely on the frame of mind of the individuals in question. to a Sith, i would think that such would always be acceptable, although not always the most practical.
To one such as yourself... I would guess that depends entirely on how far your exploration/observation of the Dark intends to go.

Are you missing a point? I couldnt say, but i think in this case i might be

[Master Thompson]

Thank you My Lord,

I must tell you first that I do not believe that you are or any of your apprentice's are malicious in nature! Please know this. I understand your frustration, I can see what you are trying to say but can't. I will refer to these boards and read more.

Talk to you in a bit and thanks.

Master Thompson

[Master Thompson]

"Oh and by-the-way Darth, SLAVE TO THE LIGHT?" Cute, very, very cute! Think that's funny? You wait, when my trials are over.......I'll get you back! ;D

[Darth Sidious]

Well, what did you expect...
and i have a weird sense of humour and find it funny anyway
...and its Slave of the Light! lol

[Darth Sidious]

Malicious in nature? one or two im not certain of
thanks for clearing that up, the whole post i made was just to clarify on the offchance... i cant always tell how people mean what they post to be read. Its surprisingly difficult when your not face-to-face with them.

[Darth Cassus]

now which ones would u be talking about lol

[Darth Sidious]

*looks suspiciously at cassus

[Darth Cassus]

lol starts to get nervous

[Darth Sidious]

You should be....
You really think im just gonna say? LOL!

[Darth Cassus]

I guess now would be a good time to begg for mercy hm

[darthtrayer]

mercy??
Is that what a proper sith would accept? I was always told mercy was for the week and if you saw that to kill him.....hummm
trayer

[Darth Cassus]

Hey darthtrayer whats up

[darthtrayer]

the same crap every day
and you??

[darthtrayer]

I also was someone on one of the other boards asking for training. I wish for the same. hope somoene can help
trayer

[Darth Sidious]

then tell us specifically what you are after

[darthtrayer]

Well.....Everything.
But ill start with knowing more about the darkside of the force.

[Darth Sidious]

More about the darkside? Just general Darkside information? in what perspective? starwars or reality?

either way, i cant really helpp right now, its 2.10am here, i need to be getting off as i need to be up in 6 hours. I will give you asll the help i can though

[darthtrayer]

well, I guess well start with star wars. that is what all started it, im figureing.I also have some, though a small understanding of it.
But the dark side in reality intrests me also. maybe we can grow into there some, at some point

trayer

[Darth Sidious]

Ok, ill try and compile what information i can, though with my current schedule it may take a while.
Either way, ill put it as high on my list of to-do's as i realistically can

[darthtrayer]

thank you very much.


I think we scared the jedi a way

Trayer

[Darth Sidious]

Nah, doubt it, he hasnt posted on his site recently either

[Darth Cassus]

The dark is generous, and it is patient and it always wins.
It always wins because it is everywhere.
It is in the wood that burns in your hearth, and in the kettle on the fire; it is under your chair and under your table and under the sheets on your bed. walk in the midday sun and the dark is with u, attached to the soles of your feet.
The brightest light casts the darkest shadow

[Darth Sidious]

Im going to start creating a document, or series of doc's to cover the fundamentals of the Dark Side, as well as the sith, from both an SW perspective, and reality. Anyone who has specific information or references they feel should be in this guide, feel free to contact me.