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Post by Darth Rageous on Aug 26, 2005 21:15:13 GMT
Whom thinks who would be the victorious Darth in this triple threat match???
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Post by Empress Palpatine on Aug 27, 2005 3:58:18 GMT
Darth Sideous. That is my vote. He can easily electrocute the other two.
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Post by Darth Rageous on Aug 27, 2005 4:22:34 GMT
Ok... But Remember that its not easy to just to electrocute Darth Maul. He very agile, as well as sith lighting can be defected by a lightsaber. Sidious is not well versed with a lightsaber. Vader and Maul are better duelers... futhermore, if they both gang up on Sidious I think that they will slay him.
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Post by Darth Sidious on Aug 27, 2005 22:05:30 GMT
im not so sure... personally i think you can all guess who'd get my vote, infact id be worried if you couldnt..
bear in mind though that Sidious was the master of both of these, and is/was supposedly the most powerfull dark side master ever. just because all you see him do in the movies is the force lightning, doesnt mean thats all he can do. Sidious wins hands down imo
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Post by Lord Exar Kun on Aug 28, 2005 0:39:31 GMT
each Sith and especially these three have different skills. i have only one question, is this Darth Vader before or after the fated battle with Obi-Wan? if it is before, i would have to place my faith in Darth Vader. he, potentially, could have been the most powerful Jedi or Sith in the galaxy, said both by Darth Sidious and Yoda. After the battle, Darth Vader was disconnected from his full power in the Force. Darth Maul would lose first of the three.
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Post by Darth Rageous on Aug 28, 2005 9:18:21 GMT
Ok... Sidious has the whole lighting thing down right, But, lets not forget how Mace Windu defeated him with a lightsaber. Even when Sidious use his lighting it was deflected by the lightsaber. So, imagine Vader blocking the lighting with his lightsaber and Maul doing flips and twirls around Sidious, and eventually stiking him down while Vader deflects his lighting.
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Post by Darth Sidious on Aug 28, 2005 15:32:34 GMT
I know, but one does have to wonder if all that was a part of his plan in the first place.
...and then there is fthe fact that he killed those other three masters very, very easily
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Post by Darth Rageous on Aug 28, 2005 21:18:32 GMT
Yea he did Kill those masters easily... however they didn't expect him to as straong as he was. But they were weak masters, Sidious, you and I know that.
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Post by Mrs. Darth Vader on Aug 29, 2005 3:07:03 GMT
If it was every man for himself so to speak I would have to say Darth Sidious would win. As much as I love Vader, Sidious had the most power and knowlege of the Force and the speed Sidious killed the three Jedi showed he could move faster than Maul. Sidious only took his time fighting Mace and also when Sidious called for Anakin's help he fained weakness because Sidious was recruiting Anakin to join the Sith. Remember this is how Anakin takes the final step to become Darth Vader. Personaly I am glad that Vader chose to be loyal to Sidious.
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Post by Darth Sidious on Aug 29, 2005 3:08:58 GMT
that has always been my opinion on them yeah, either way, i think sidious would win - unless as Exar pointed out it was against the pre-armored vader.
Sidious set everything else up, wehy not set up/stage his fight with windu to further unbalance anakin there?
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Post by Darth Rageous on Aug 29, 2005 21:02:18 GMT
I don't think he set the stages for the fight to go down the way it did with Windu, as much I'd hate to admit... Mace out class Sidious. We all know that.
And, here a lillte some thing for you guys to read and take note.
The ultimate test came when Maul was abandoned by his master on an isolated Outer Rim world, forced to survive alone while being hunted by hordes of assassin droids. After a month's time, Sidious returned and challenged his apprentice to a duel, one which Maul lost. Sidious then told Maul that he had been secretly training another apprentice to replace him. Rage and hatred overwhelmed Maul, and in one final act of defiance he nearly killed his master. When Maul's emotions were finally spent, he prepared himself for death, yet Sidious laughed instead. By wanting to kill his own master, Maul had in fact passed the final test. Sidious proclaimed him Darth Maul and took him to a new home on Coruscant.
See, all it would take is Maul using his rage and then he could kill sidious.
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Post by Darth Rageous on Aug 29, 2005 21:41:46 GMT
Sidious is good at pushing people to the point of no return, and all it would take is getting Maul and Vader to their rage and it would be over for Sidoius.
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Post by Empress Palpatine on Aug 30, 2005 2:40:19 GMT
The relationship between Maul and Sideous was not a friendly one. Maul would have a strong motive to try to kill him. The question is: could he? Sometimes hatred is not enough. You have to be able to pull it off. As to motive, Vader did not have a strong motive to kill Sideous, at least not 'til episode six. Vader's and Sideous' relationship was a lot friendlier. Vader hated Obi-Wan more. If Vader had only one shot and had to choose who to shoot and Obi-Wan was standing beside Palpatine, he'd shoot Obi-Wan. But this is a game of "what if?" What if Vader did try to kill him. Could he? I don't think so.
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Post by Darth Rageous on Aug 30, 2005 4:44:40 GMT
No, Vader was submissive to Sidious, and he tried recruiting Luke so that he can overthrow Sidious.
Vader knew he could not take on Lord Sidious himself, thats why he wanted Luke to join him so that they can destroy Sidious together. Thats why I think if Maul was to tag up with Vader together they can defeat Sidious. Inaddtion, Lets not forget Vader was one of the nasty dueler in the Jedi Order, and Darth Maul was a highly trained Sith ever. With their combine power and haterd they can win over Sidious.
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Post by Mrs. Darth Vader on Aug 30, 2005 4:51:26 GMT
No wayis Mace better than Sidious. Sidious only faked weakness to get Anakin to go Sith. If anything Vader would side with Sidious and take out Maul because remember Anakin told Obi-Wan that Palpatine was a friend and a mentor. Ian McDiarmid in an interview said that when Palpatine goes to Mustafar to find Vader, Palpatine was happy to see Vader still alive then Palpatine puts his hand on Vader's head, this was the one time Palpatine showed compassion. So Palpatine realy liked Vader and Vader realy liked Palpatine. This is why it is sad in Ep. VI when Palpatine turns on his long time friend Vader. I wish Lucas would change Ep.VI to Vader tells Luke how Obi-Wan let him burn alive and coldly left him for dead and Palpatine rescued Vader. Then Luke would side with both Palpatine and Vader. So Palpatine and Vader would have a happy ending.
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Post by Darth Rageous on Aug 30, 2005 4:59:57 GMT
Your too fixated on the whole Anakin, Obi-wan, and the whole Mustafar thing. What I'm trying to convey is simply on Vader and Maul taking on Sidious, and how their combined powers can out maneuver Sidious.
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Post by Lord Exar Kun on Aug 30, 2005 14:39:17 GMT
my question still remains unanswered. is it pre-armor Vader or post-armor Vader? if this question is answered, then there will be a clear cut answer. again, pre-armor Vader had the potential to be the most powerful Sith or Jedi. if Vader had decided to attack Sidious at the height of his power, i believe he would have defeated Sidious. Maul is getting too much credit. i agree he was a powerful Sith, but put next to Sidious and Vader, he is a child. he was defeated by a PADAWAN learner!! Even when Obi-Wan was a jedi master, Yoda warned him that he was not strong enough to fight Sidious. the only reason he was able to defeat Vader was because Vader let his anger and hatred blind him.
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Post by Darth Rageous on Aug 30, 2005 15:37:53 GMT
Pre-armored or armored... it does not make a difference. Maul is not getting to much credit its a fact that he was a nasty fighter. As for Obi-wan... he was one of the greatest jedi of all time. I mean he survived order 66, and just cause Obi-wan beat Maul doesn't mean that we have to discredit him as well. Furthermore, Lord Vader was arrogant and careless and thats what hurt him in the end.
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Post by Mrs. Darth Vader on Aug 30, 2005 19:44:05 GMT
Lord Exar Kun
In my opinion the post armored Vader is stronger because befor the helmet, he only gained twice the power he had after neeling to Sidious but after Palpatine's great doctering and use of his potions in Palpatine's medical kit, Vader increased powers 10 fold. By destroying the entire hospital room with just Vader's mind and anger. The room shook as if in an earthquake. To me that showed more power. It was done more subtilly than the usual. Just think for a moment, Vader was just angree. It was unfocused anger. If that is what Vader can do not focusing,than it would be more powerful had Vader focused on a particular result.
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Post by Lord Exar Kun on Aug 31, 2005 0:51:47 GMT
first, let me address the points made by Darth Rageous. i did not mean to sound like i was trying to take anything away from Darth Maul. i agree, he is a nasty fighter. Darth Maul is one of my favorite characters. i also was not trying to take anything away from Obi-Wan. i merely meant that compared to Darth Sidious and Darth Vader, Darth Maul does not have the strength in the force to beat either. Darth Maul was described as an "attack animal" with unfocused rage. Maul was awesome with a lightsaber, but being a fighter sometimes is not enough. Maul will go down as one of the best Sith. second, to Mrs. Darth Vader. i recently read the book Revenge of the Sith (if anyone hasn't, I strongly recommend it as well as Labyrinth of Evil). after Darth Vader received his armor, he said to himself, in the book, that he could no longer draw upon the same power that he could before. it was said that he knew where to look for that power, but could no longer find it. in Labyrinth of Evil, Obi-Wan and Anakin chase Count Dooku and eventually think they trap him. Dooku gets away and Anakin becomes enraged. he brings down the entire ROOF of a CASTLE with the force. this is pre-armor Vader. i agree that destroying the hospital room was an impressive feat of strength, but destroying an entire building is something totally different.
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Post by Empress Palpatine on Aug 31, 2005 5:05:01 GMT
The books are different from the movie it seems. The movie gives a different impression. Why would Palpatine want a weakened Vader? It would attribute to him great compassion if he rescued Vader purely out of sympathy; but this would really be unusual for a Sith. He'd be Qui-Gon Jinn. I could see some warm feeling in Palpatine, but not that far.
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Post by Lord Exar Kun on Aug 31, 2005 17:21:01 GMT
sidious knew that Vader would be more powerful than him if left to his own ends. i think that weakening Vader was another stroke of Palpantine's genius. what would have stopped Vader from killing him if left alone? by weakening Vader, he assured Vader's loyalty and thus was able to continue his rule. i don't know if it was purely compassion that lead Palpantine to save Vader. it was lust for power and Palpantine trying to control Vader.
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Post by Mrs. Darth Vader on Aug 31, 2005 19:53:34 GMT
Lord Exar Kun
I did not read the book so I answered you according to the movie. When the book goes in direct contradiction to the movie I choose the movie because the founder of Star Wars, George Lucas, made the movie other authers wrote the books. It is like The Bill of Rights and the U.S. Consttitution equalling the movie Vs. case law which would be the books. I use the books where Star Wars is blank. If you prefer the books, it is your right to free thought.
According to that same interview with Ian McDiarmid, he said the lightsaber fight on Mustafar was the only thing outside of Palpatine's control. Palpatine thought Obi-Wan dead with the rest of the Jedi. And yes Palpatine genuinly liked Vader and wanted him to be strongest. Palpatine said it to Yoda at the begining of their lightsaber fight. As you remember Yoda condemed Palpatine for his faith in Palpatin's new aprentice.
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Post by Lord Exar Kun on Sept 1, 2005 0:37:31 GMT
i agree that the movie and book seem to contradict each other. either way, Vader is a very powerful Sith. whether in the books or movies, he remains my favorite character and my choice to win this duel.
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Post by Darth Rageous on Sept 1, 2005 7:36:04 GMT
So vader Is the one you say will emerge victorious huh!!! I'm glad you say Vader, Lord kun.
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Post by Mrs. Darth Vader on Sept 2, 2005 4:47:13 GMT
Lord Exar Kun I am glad you think Vader is your faverate charactor. Vader is my faverate as well. Vader is also the most handsome.
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Post by Lord Exar Kun on Sept 5, 2005 17:05:51 GMT
yes, Vader would win the duel. he has the most skills and is an extremely good duelist.
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Post by Darth Rageous on Sept 5, 2005 22:38:15 GMT
I'm glad you agree.
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Post by Darth Rageous on Sept 8, 2005 8:00:38 GMT
Theres gotta be some one who disagree with me, come on challenge Darth Rageous!!!!
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