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Post by sindo on Jun 6, 2005 21:52:26 GMT
Just a thought. If Darth Vader is what people say he is than why didn't he just take over the Empire for himself. It has been said that Lord Vader was more powerful than the Emperor.
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Post by Darth Sidious on Jun 7, 2005 21:38:44 GMT
hmmm... afaik he believed that he wasnt powerfull enough to do so... i think it was in episode 5, when he was trying to turn luke... he suggested that together they could do so.. maybe he didnt think he could manage it alone
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Post by sindo on Jun 8, 2005 19:57:49 GMT
True but one thought I have is that the Emperor had kept Vader on a leash. Always kept a very close eye on him and kept him thinking that he was inferior to the emperor.
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Post by Darth Sidious on Jun 8, 2005 21:04:48 GMT
he did.. i thought i mentioned that :S maybe not
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Post by sindo on Jun 9, 2005 19:36:58 GMT
In episode three I just remembered. When talking to Padme on the landing platform he says that he wanted to take over the Empire. But I guess that was before his real teachings.
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Post by Empress Palpatine on Jun 14, 2005 21:11:45 GMT
I think Vader liked and respected the Emporer and wasn't that motivated to get rid of him. When he said to Padme he intended to take over himself, he was just emoting because he was a bit flipped out at that point. As far as his pitch to Luke, he may have said that to try to make it sound better to Luke; but he probably wasn't serious. Unless, of course, he had had a falling out with the Emporer over the twenty years.
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Post by sindo on Jun 16, 2005 21:41:32 GMT
I think he was serious because sith always want to be the most powerful everything no matter how much they like the person above them.
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Post by Darth Sidious on Jun 17, 2005 15:15:27 GMT
Remember what happened to the original sith order - they all wanted absolute power and literally killed themselves for it. I dont think there was any real difference in this case.. Vader was the first Dark Lord of the Sith not to have that absolute power, as well as control.. I think he waould eventually, whether luke had shown up or not, have attempted to dispose of palpatine..
Whether he would have succeeded or not is another question
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Post by sindo on Jun 17, 2005 22:55:57 GMT
To be totally honest I think he might have succeeded.
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Post by mira on Jun 18, 2005 15:53:58 GMT
May be Vader didn't overthrone the Emperor because he was desperate after Padme's death. It is pointless to figth for a Empire if you don't have a consort or a hair to the throne.
And I think that Vader wasn't enough greedy for power.
He just wanted to save Padme and then together to rule. Make things the way they wanted to be...
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Post by saberdevon on Jun 18, 2005 20:35:53 GMT
She was a fool for not joining him.
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Post by Empress Palpatine on Jun 18, 2005 22:08:36 GMT
Anakin and Padme were never ever truly compatible. Anakin was pro-dictatorship from the start. She was pro-democracy. He was a hawk. She was a dove. Anakin wanted her to think differently, but she was not inclined to. Somehow I can't see her as empire royalty. Mrs. Vader is a completely different type of girl. My roommate is "Mrs. Vader." It is a little like being Mrs. Stalin. Your hubby comes home saying, "I killed the Kulaks today dear." "That's good, dear," is the reply. I just can't see Padme doing that. To be married to Vader, or even Palpatine, it means giving them a nice kiss after a day's killing.
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Post by sindo on Jun 19, 2005 18:27:07 GMT
Agreed Padme would have ruined the image of the empire.
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Post by mira on Jun 22, 2005 17:35:44 GMT
Why? She could be more cruel than the Emperor.... after a few teachings in the Dark Side point of view!
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Post by sindo on Jun 22, 2005 17:54:49 GMT
She didn't have the type of heart needed for the Darkside it was said that she probrably couldn't go out and destroy an entire star system.
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Post by Empress Palpatine on Jun 25, 2005 4:04:07 GMT
I can't see her doing that, no not her. If she were to go nasty, she'd be a manipulator, a Jezebel. I always thought of her as a "South Carolina" woman, a soft-spoken, sweet-talkin' manipulator who would quietly do someone in while smiling at them.
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Post by sindo on Jun 27, 2005 20:04:21 GMT
Great way of saying it
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Post by mira on Jun 29, 2005 16:40:55 GMT
You underrestimate Padme. The best christians are ex-pagans. Just the situation was bad. And women are little nervious when they are pregnant.
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Post by sindo on Jul 5, 2005 20:11:21 GMT
Well you can't be nervous when serving the empire. Nervousness causes mistakes.
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Post by Darth Sidious on Jul 6, 2005 17:19:21 GMT
nervousness causes caution, not necessarily mistakes though
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Post by Azazel on Nov 14, 2005 11:27:42 GMT
Why should Vader bother to take over Palpatine? He had all the power he wanted, Palpatine would probabli still had lots of things to teach him, and, as said above, he didnt had a true goal to achieve, only when he knew its son (and daughter) were alive. In time im shure he would ligh-saber Palpatine in half
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Post by Mrs. Darth Vader on Nov 15, 2005 0:13:07 GMT
I believe there was a special conection between Vader and palpatine. Episode III did show that connection. There was loyalty also. a dictator always chooses the second in comand by his fearce loyalty. Rudolf Hess was loyal to Hitler to death. Note I am no fan of Hitler (just a good example of the loyalty thing). I feel Vader was wisely chosen by Palpatine for the same reason.
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Post by Azazel on Nov 16, 2005 10:42:01 GMT
Of course that there was a especial connection, but the " friendship " would only last as long as one needed the other.I dont really believe in long term loyalty between two siths, only in a temporary arrangement.All in all, there were no other promissing jedis, or siths, around for Palpatine to choose as bodyguard.
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Post by Mrs. Darth Vader on Nov 16, 2005 19:17:19 GMT
This temporery friend ship concept and only stay with someone for expediance is the ways of the republic known as adhocracy on earth. In all earths history people who rise to dictator look for loyalty above all else. Nazi Germany took the whole world to defeat because when Hitler built his party he built it on loyalty. I would like to believe that Palpatine is at least as smart if not more smart than Hitler. To imply that the Sith would continue a policy that nearly destroyed there existance and stay on that path without looking at new ways of doing things is to say Sith are stupid. Smart people if they make a mistake in policy that cost them will change their course. The Sith in the Star Wars Saga survived against incredable odds in order to do that you have to have brains as well as brute strength. A Sith like Mao-Tse Tung, would have to do critism self critism. When a mistake is made you have to be willing to fix it. Cut throatism is useing all dark with the abscence of light. Since Palpatine believed in balance meaning to use both light and dark he would want at least a small circle of loyal cadre. Palpatine himself in the opera sceen told Anakin about how the Sith can protect the ones that the Sith Lord loves. Just the Sith love a smaller group than the Jedi are supposed to. Ian McDiarmid said that his charector had sympathy for Vader on Mustafar in an interview, in the Star Wars Insider. I still have the copy of that interview. On the point that Palpatine was stuck with Vader because there was no one else, I do not agree because Palpatine had the whole galaxy to choose from. Palpatine wanted Anakin above all other perspective apprentices. Palpatine had faith in Vader, a trait that Yoda condemned him for.
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Post by Darth Shoe on Nov 30, 2005 22:01:17 GMT
I believe Vader thought of Palps as a friend, he helped him and "looked out" for him during his padawan days. I think Vader always feared loseing people close to him so didn't really want to be alone. Only when he realised he had a son that he started to talk about getting rid of the emperor. While seeing what Palps was doing to his son (Force Lightening) he feared loseing another family member and something snapped inside him. We must remember Vader had never seen Palps try and hurt someone who he cared about before. I don't think it was about becoming all powerful Sith Lord. Just my theory.
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